Vizards

You see what I'm getting at? I think maybe the full complete vizard release will actually be a hollow form, much like the arrancars maybe.

Yeah I think full release for Vizards is pretty much a Hollow. However, once it gets to that point I also bet its hard, if not impossible to control without the hollow taking over.

yeah you're right. But you see these people (shinji and co) has LOTS of years to practice this before the time we have right now. So there's a good chance that they tried it, and even probably controlled it. Most likely are the captains like Shinji and Kensei.

Yes. All that time that they had to master it would make a big difference from anything that Ichigo has done, since he did everything the super fast way each time.

..which is so cheap that the writers made it like that. the protagonist always does the impossible

I'm afraid that they might make him as powerful, if not more, than the vizards even at their full release.

They probably will but only if it's a fight for something that he must win to protect people or something. Kind of like the Kenpachi fight back in the day. They did say Ichigo has a crazy amount of spiritual power. Add that together with the hollowfied version and a bankai and you have crazy power.

I really hope Aizen isn't ridiculously strong compared to everyone like I think he'll be.

Heh, if Aizen is strong, then Ichigo must learn some new uber powerful form to fight him.

Aizen will own, and then they have to think of something awesome to beat him. I will enjoy seeing this happen

wait, does aizen also have vizard capabilities?

He might. It was Aizen after all who experimented with hollowification.

ChaosBlade wrote:

Heh, if Aizen is strong, then Ichigo must learn some new uber powerful form to fight him.

I'm pretty physicked for Ichigo to learn some new technique/form. He's been running on bankai and vizard transformation for a while. and his big slash thing, tsengen zangetsu or whatever.

tensa zangetsu is the bankai name
getsuga tenshou is the big slash thing

Eh.. Ichigo already had an upgrade recently. A cheap one too, he's now able to have vizard for longer times.

Yea, found it odd how he trained forever and only increased it to like 10 seconds if that then all of a sudden bam. A whole battle with GrimmJow.

Yeah that was a little ridiculous. One other thing I found odd much earlier on in the series was when they started flying. They hadn't really been flying before, then suddenly they all just took off into the air, even Ichigo. I was like "when did he learn to fly?"

Lol, I know what your talking about. You would think some serious training would be called for to do that but I guess not.

It's the hollow in him being powered by being in Hueco Mundo!

hm you got a point there. Maybe because Hueco is full of soul particles that it greatly boosts his vizard capabilities.. but then again he's not a quincy.

He could fly in the real world couldn't he?

Yeah he could fly before he got to Hueco Mundo. I think he flys in one of the OVAs maybe sealed sword. And he flew in his fight with Grimmjow. It's not even real flying, it's like standing on air, so I assume the explanation would be similar to Shinobi being able to focus chakra in their feet to walk on water or whatever.

Yea but with Shinobi they don't fly, at least not yet in Naruto. Give it some time and it could be possible though.

It think it has to do with them being like Saiyans. They can put their reiatsu under them to make them float. They should also be able to use it to propel them forward

That's all good and well, but I still don't know when or how Ichigo learned to do all this fancy stuff.

It's a mystery like when DBZ started to fly, we never actually saw training.

But later in it, they showed them telling Videl how to do it.

how about talking how different a full vizard release is from a full espada release?

In full espada release they turn more into hollow beasts while in vizard release they just get a mask. I think that's considered full vizard release.